richhard444

Does anyone out there have pictures and/or info they would be willing to share (I don't want to copy, but just looking for Ideas) of how to scenic the area in and around a small town coal dealer? I have two on my layout that I need to finish the scenery around. I have spent quite some time looking on the Internet to no real avail. I am mostly interested in what the interior ground cover might look like. I don't think it would be all coal scattered around, but am not quite sure what other type of ground cover might be inside the yard. I have attached some photos of what I am dealing with. the first one (East River Lbr. & Fuel Co.) is the way it used to look and how I currently have it. The second one is the (C. Reiss Coal Co.)

Thanks for your help.

Richard Superintendent CNW Peninsula Div.

Blog - http://mrhmag.com/blog/richard_harden

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Richard - Superintendent CNW Peninsula Div.

blog - https://mrhmag.com/blog/richard_harden

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Fiddler66

Photos

When I am looking for photos the first place I try is "Google Images.Com." Jim P.S. Nice job on the structures avid backdrop.
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CBrown

Ideas

While not wanting to promote Model Railroader, the December 2012 issue has some articles by Paul Dolkos that might give you some insight. One of his projects resembles the situation you have. There are pictures of not only models but proto types as well. Hope that helps.

Chris

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ctxmf74

"type of ground cover might be inside the yard"

I'd guess it could vary greatly depending on the size of the facility and the money the owners chose to invest in the operation. A concrete lot would be the best and a dirt lot the worst. In between would be paving stones or gravel. Since the coal is money they would probably pick up the spillage as much as possible just leaving the fines and powdered residue? I'd include some black stains where the trucks run to the scales and out the gate. Here's Cramer coal in the Bronx which looks quite clean but was almost brand new when the photo was taken....DaveBranum http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht.html

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JamesSix

smaller coal dealers

My opinion is that most modelers make their small town coal dealers too large. Also, I prefer not to use commercial kits such as the Walthers kits because they are the same as are found on everyone else's layouts.  - Jim Sixal_Sales.jpg a%201024.jpg a%201024.jpg 20800(1).jpg 20800(1).jpg 

James Six
Fremont, Ohio

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Ronmsal78

Looks great Jim.

You sure do have a way with those Accurail cars.  I just wish they made them in n scale.

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salty4568

Portable conveyor

Jim,  perfect timely blog posts .... I tried (in vain) over at Early Rail group to find out what time period they started using those portable conveyors in coal yards, etc. Nobody seemed to come up with anything. Any ideas? I am modeling 1900-1910. I figure that's too early, and I know that labor was cheap so a lot of times they just had guys with shovels. That being said, I am sometimes surprised at the early dates some of these labor-saving machines came into use. I haven't been able to find anything specific to my question on the web so far. 

 

 

Skip Luke
Retired Railroader
washington State

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LVN

Ground cover

In oil facilities they keep it pretty clean so I suggest some dark grey or medium grey n scale ballast mixed with sand.  There maybe some hydrocarbon staining on the ground in places so you could use black acrylic ink or AI.   For the coal areas these are usually older and so there would probably be lots of cinders mixed with sand.  make some piles using kitty litter or dirt. Glue them in and then apply the cinders to cover.  Also use some ink or double flat black krylon paint to dust the ground.  Do not saturate as you want the earth tones there as well.  Hope this helps.

Every Day is Train Day

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Charles Malinowski Bmry1905

Small-town coal dealers

Hi Richard. I would recommend Tony Koster's April 1973 Railroad Model Craftsman article: Coal Yard and Conveyor Details. Only two pages but loaded with good stuff. I have a copy but I don't want to post it as its probably copywritten. Maybe Joe F. can clarify the posting rules. Thanks to Jim Six...great BC&G photo. Just the right inspiration for my coal dealer in Lebanon, Indiana. Charles

Charles Malinowski Carmel, IN

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IrishRover

Timely

As I work on what can and can't fit on my layout, I saw this--and a small town coal dealership would be great in Northern Maine, circa 1920-30!  Basicly a place to unload, a small building, and some coal piles!

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Eric Hansmann Eric H.

Google Books resources

I suspect conveyors have been in use since the early 1900s. There are many vintage pamphlets and catalogs on Google Books for early 20th century industrial products. Here's a great book on the Industrial Brownhoist company. http://books.google.com/books?id=mEYPAAAAYAAJ&dq=industrial%20brownhoist&pg=PA164#v=onepage&q&f=false Sadly, a full Link-Belt publication does not seem to be available, but here is a bound volume of a coal industry publication, the Black Diamond. http://books.google.com/books?id=fBczAQAAMAAJ&dq=link-belt&pg=RA1-PA1#v=onepage&q=link-belt&f=false I recommend downloading these to your computer for easy review, just like you do with MRH each month. Eric

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