ErieMan47

I am modeling the Erie Railroad, in HO, in 1951,  its centennial year of operation.  I am particularly interested in its fast freights dedicated to shipping perishables from Chicago to the NY metro area.  From what I know, the Erie had a dominant position in this market, surpassing larger rivals NYC and PRR.  A particular specialty seems to have been shipping California citrus to the east.

I want to assemble a fleet of wood-sided and steel-sided reefer cars to model these trains, and my basic question is what mark reefer cars would be likely to be seen on the Erie?  I am guessing that unlike other freight services, where any line's car might show up anywhere, only certain reefer lines are likely to show up on certain roads.  I would not expect NYC or PRR reefers on the Erie, but I don't really know.  I know that Union Refrigerator Transit Co. had cars assigned to Erie, with an Erie logo.  Accurail has models of these in HO.  As far as western railroads go, I understand that different roads had ownership/alliances with different refrigerator lines, and I wonder how those alliances worked out vis-a-vis Erie.  Would Santa Fe and/or Burlington express cars have been more likely to be seen on Erie than Pacific Fruit Express, for example?

Another aspect:  I assume that California produce headed east was not transloaded from one reefer to another in Chicago.  Does that mean that the Erie/Union Refrigerator Transit cars deadheaded west all the way to California?  Or were they not carrying West Coast produce?

Any insights on any of this, on reefer train service in general, and on interchange relationships that the Erie had in Chicago in the early 1950s would be greatly appreciated.

Modeling the Erie RR Delaware Division in the early 1950s in HO
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CM Auditor

Both PFE and SFRD reefers

Eire did quite well in capturing the California Fruit trade with its ability to reach the New York and New England markets.

CM Auditor

Tom VanWormer

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ctxmf74

"was not transloaded from one reefer to another "

I recall reading that the trip from Ca to NYC took 10 days. Car loads  went all the way .Erie hauled  both ATSF and PFE reefers to the east coast. Route was something like  Corwith,Hammond,Huntington,Marion,Meadville,Cuba JCT., Susquehanna,New Jersey, and Erie pier at NYC.  If you google Pacific Fruit express, Erie interchange you might find the book I read this in, it was a study of shipping oranges from Ca to NYC and was written around 1930 IIRC. It was one of those "free reader" things. Had interesting stuff about icing and the car temperatures along the way......DaveBranum

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ErieMan47

Very helpful- thanks!

Thank you Tom and Dave for sharing your knowledge on this.  Dave- I will definitely find that book you mentioned.  Interesting that the fruit took a 10 day train ride!  I would have figured that the Chicago to Jersey City segment on the Erie would have been completed in less than 24 hours, as I had read that Erie gave those trains high priority as a way to capture the fruit shipping business.  I read somewhere that Erie arranged things so that their trip was fast enough to avoid having to stop to ice along the way.

Having the Santa Fe red reefers along with the PFE yellow reefers will add nice color to the train!

Modeling the Erie RR Delaware Division in the early 1950s in HO
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Eric Hansmann Eric H.

Understanding the prototype

A part of determining what ran on the Erie falls into what didn't run on the Erie. Understanding the prototype companies and associated ownership is an important component of the refrigerated freight car traffic.

Merchants Despatch was owned by the New York Central, so it would be a good estimation that very few MDT cars would be seen on Erie rails.

Fruit Growers Express was owned by a consortium of railroads (not the Erie) and also strongly affiliated with the Burlington Refrigerator Express and Western Fruit Express operations. Bill Welch has been researching the FGE companies for a book but you can find some of his historical information in a PDF jointly published a few years ago through the PRR, B&O and ACL/SAL historical organizations. A copy can be downloaded at the Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler mag site. The link is on the left near the bottom of the menu blocks. It's a large file and best to download to your computer before viewing, similar to MRH.

PFE and SFRD have been mentioned, and I suspect these were the predominant reefers travelling upon Erie rails. Each of those companies used several different reefer designs that were developed over the years. I recommend consulting prototype images taken during the era of your interest in order to gain a better understanding of the traffic mix.

Nothing is an impossibility, but in developing your freight car fleet it is best to go with the most probable scenarios.

Eric

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ErieMan47

Looked at proto photos

Eric- As you suggested I got out my magnifying glass and looked hard at photos in various Erie books that I own.  Most of the reefer train shots are such that it impossible to make out the markings.  However, I did confirm from a few photos that PFE reefers with the SP and UP heralds were present.  I also found a Western Fruit Express with a Great Northern herald on it.  I was a bit surprised about that one, but it was there.  So far, I have not identified any Santa Fe, but I will search for more proto photos on the web.

I am still trying to find out how the Union Refrigerator cars with Erie logos were used.

I also found that Erie delivered east bound perishables to New England railroads at the Maybrook, NY interchange.  Lots more investigating to do!

Thanks for your help and interest.

Modeling the Erie RR Delaware Division in the early 1950s in HO
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