dwtc55
This is my first post so hopefully I do not say anything too stupidLooking for help with layout designing I have made all the popular mistakes most importantly the 4x8 mistake.....ouch I am not trying to model anything specific. I collect Rock Island motive power and rolling stock. Just like anyone I have started with big dreams of having a huge continuous run layout but now have enjoyed seeing everyone's shelf layouts. The room I have to work with is one 10' wall and one 4.5' wall. This will be a L-shaped layout. I am going to use ME track (HO scale) and not sure but I remember someone posting about turnouts that are spring loaded so no switch machine just manual switch flipping (K.I.S.S.). I have made several attempts at designing something but am not sure everything will work. I want a correct switching layout one with run arounds and what not. Everything I design is me just throwing switches everywhere which is the wrong direction. Here is the criteria which I am looking for 1. At least 3 small industries 2. The 4.5' piece can be used as a small staging area. 3. #6 switches at least 4. 22" radius (bigger preferred) 5. 18" maximum depth Not looking for anyone to design it for me but some helpful ideas and steered in the correct direction Thanks Dusty Tyler
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jeffshultz

Spring loaded turnouts

Those would be the turnouts by Peco. You'll want to check out this page for turnout templates and all that:  http://www.peco-uk.com/page.asp?id=tempc83

One thing I recommend is that you make sure you have at least one runaround on which you can fit your entire longest train. 

I applaud your idea of using the 4.5 as staging. Don't discount the idea of using the back half as staging and the front half as more industry potential. 

Look to the prototype for inspiration - any industrial parks or similar nearby? Remember that the prototype is in this to make money, and therefore they tend to have the simplest track plans possible - complex track wastes time and money.

One thing that you can incorporate to make sure it isn't just "you flipping switches" is the idea of multiple car spots on a single spur, as related by Lance Mindheim in the "One Turnout Layout" article in this month's magazine -  https://forum.mrhmag.com/magazine-feedback-was-ezines-891776

Design it in such a fashion that when you get more room - or move someplace with more room, you can build a layout off the ends of at least the 10 ft section. 

 

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Bill Brillinger

Look to the prototype

Do you want Urban or Rural?
Crowded or Open?

Find an industrial area that you like in the real works and look at it in Google Maps.
From there you can begin creating a realistic trackplan for your space. Post it here and we can start giving ideas as well.

Look at some of Lance's Articles and perhaps his books and ideas on small switching layouts:

http://www.shelflayouts.com/ModelRailroadLayoutDesign.htm

 

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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dwtc55

Thanks Jeff

The prototype I am modeling shut down 1980 in my home town of Belle MO. I have been looking around town when I go back home to see family and the mainline is still pretty noticeable but very few switches and industries still last today. I am a big fan of Lance's work and fully read this months article. The layout is going to be rural maybe a elevator or something. Has anyone used the peco switches? Will the last and work for what I am wanting Thanks Dusty Tyler
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ctxmf74

"check out this page for turnout templates "

 Yeah, I'd print out the peco turnout templates  and then cut out some cardboard templates to play with the track plan on the floor. Move the templates  around and connect them with masking tape for the tracks  and set cars on them till the most satisfying track plan emerges. Once you have the plan the way you want it then you can measure the outline and build the benchwork shelves. The right 3/4's  of my shelf layout is still in the tape limbo stage even though I've started laying track on the left 1/4.  I haven't used the HO versions but I've heard that Peco switches are very reliable. If you want a rural scene you should be able to fit an elevator on there without too much trouble, check out the Logansport and Indiana Northern blog on this site for inspiration.......DaveBranum

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Bill Brillinger

Peco

I have always used peco turnouts. Very high quality product. I love them.

I believe you can see them in action on Chris Lyon's LVN videos here: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/11187

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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dwtc55

InRail

Thanks both Bill and Dave I am a big fan of Tom's layout. Great idea on the cardboard templates I will have to try that Thanks everyone Dusty Tyler
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Bremner

modeling a long, gone

modeling a long, gone prototype can be hard, Insurance maps and old railroad documentation can help point you towards the correct trackplan.

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dwtc55

Been searching

I have looked on the Internet for information on Rock Island in Belle but have found nothing. Google image revealed a great picture of the depot with a gp40 passing by. Interesting shot to model. What are these insurance maps you speak of Bremner? http://www.railsaroundmissouri.com/blog/?attachment_id=1390 Thanks Dusty Tyler
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Bremner

hear you go.....

http://www.loc.gov/rr/geogmap/sanborn/

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CM Auditor

Sanborn Maps

Bremner gave a good website to address your Sanborns, they are listed by state and then by city.  These maps were basically nationwide for cities where fire insurance was sold.  The maps provide data about the commercial buildings and some residences as to construction, # of stories, fire hydrant locations, etc. with the city limits of the incorporated towns and cities.  In the case of the Colorado Midland, we have found that in some areas, the railway located their facilities outside the town limit so as to not to have to pay taxes.  That can become a major problem for modelers.  The Sanborns were usually drawn early in the town history and then changes were pasted on to the original map and may be difficult to locate.

Good luck, but they are great if your area is covered.

CM Auditor

Tom VanWormer

Monument CO

Colorado City Yard Limits 1895

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dwtc55

Maps

Appreciate it both Bremner and Tom. I will take a look Dusty Tyler
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