jimcol51

I have an HO Bachmann 2-6-0 I bought about a year ago that is ID'd as "DCC ready." Taking apart the tender, I see the connector that I believe is designed to take a decoder. 

I'm very new to the DCC thing. How would I determine what decoder to use? I would like to get one with sound which I realize will be more expensive. Do I only have to consider the footprint or are there electrical considerations?

If it will help, here's the applicable portion of the parts breakdown.

reakdown.jpg 

And here's the inside of the tender. (Sorry, not the best photo) You can see the board with 8-pin connector and the little jumper board that plugs into it setting to the side on top of water portion of tender. I have not taken things any further apart than this yet.

dcc_card.jpg 

Any insight to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Jim Collins

Jim C.
Ceres, CA

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Pennsy GG1

Similar Install

I found this link for an Alco unit on Tony's Trains, an MRH sponsor. Looks very similar to what you have.

http://www.tcsdcc.com/public_html/Customer_Content/Installation_Pictures/HO_Scale/Bachmann/Spectrum_Modern_American_ALCO_Richmond/Bachmman_Spectrum_Modern_American_ALCO_Richmond.html

Al

Enjoying HO, with RailPro.

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Milt Spanton mspanton

Al’s response and link above

Al’s response and link above refers to installation of a non-sound decoder. 

I found all the “extra” electronics in the Bachmann locos to hinder good operations, and they eat up too much space if you want to install sound.  Thus, I always remove all Bachmann-supplied boards and hard wire in new decoders.  I love Soundtraxx sound decoders, and always use them.

EDIT: Neglected to offer a version - Their "Light Steam" would be a good choice.

Given that you are new to DCC, you may not want to jump that far in.  But if you do…

As you can see from your included diagram, you will have to go a bit deeper to get at the speaker mount.  A sound decoder will have 2 wires to go to the speaker.  Make sure the ohms requirements of the sound decoder match the speaker you choose.

Bachmann doesn’t comply with standards for its wiring, so prior to pulling out their board, look at lettering on the board to see what wire goes where, and marking the wires before disconnecting. 

You will have to do a little deciphering –

  • M+ and M- for motor plus/minus, for instance. 
  • The tender back-up light will be self evident, as it is wired within the tender. 
  • You can also determine the right/left rail pickups because those wires will also be within the tender.  A second wire will be attached to each for the same rail pickups in the loco.  The two wires for each rail can be kept together and attached to the decoder’s r/l rail wires.
  • I found it tough to determine the +/- wires for the LED headlight and tail light.  On my Bachmann 2-10-2s, the colors were the same – both red.  If you hook them up backwards, they won’t light.  You’ve got a 50/50 chance, and no penalty if you get it wrong the first time.

Obviously, I too was once new to all this, but even my first Bachmann installation went flawlessly – well, except for getting the front headlight wired backwards.  Patience and following the Soundtraxx instructions were all that was needed.

- Milt
The Duluth MISSABE and Iron Range Railway in the 50's - 1:87

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Bruce Petrarca

Walk before you run

I recommend plugging a TCS decoder into the socket first. Spend $25 ish for some learning. Buy a DP2x (http://www.litchfieldstation.com/xcart/product.php?productid=190030) decoder and plug it in. Get some experience with DCC. Then, if you want to move to sound, review my column From August 2012, How Do I Get The Sound Out (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2012-08-aug/dcc_impulses) - be sure to watch the video. Plan your installation, starting with what size of speaker you can fit where. Once you have that figured out, see if you have enough room left for the Bachmann board and a decoder or if you will have to remove the board and hard wire the decoder. Personally, I prefer to remove the board, but I have decades of experience in miniature electronics work!

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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lexon

Decoder

If you want sound, this is from the SoundTraxx decoder selector page for this loco.

 

2-6-0 Mogul and Tender

TSU-1000 Light Steam

826101

810054

Bruce's website shows how to remove the harness and use a 8 pin to 9 pin adapter.

Clip any capacitors. They are usually marked with a C such as C1, C2 if the caps are on the PC board.

For non sound, I am seeing a lot of positive reviews for TCS in the different forums I belong to.

There is also a nice Bachmann website with forums and a couple Bachmann reps who watch the forums.

Rich

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Benny

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I would be extremely happy to see the Bachmann Budget Soundtraxx Sound desoder on the market, without a locomotive...

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Benny's Index or Somewhere Chasing Rabbits

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jimcol51

Thank you

Thank you for all the great responses. I believe I will follow Bruce's advice (and use Al's link) and get my feet wet first with the DP2X. Once I've done that and become a little more familar with things, I will definitely upgrade to the Soundtraxx TSU-1000 or similar. 

It has been a while, but while in the Navy I was an aviation electronics technician. Much of the time was spent 'O' level working on planes but I did also work 'I' level and so have soldering experience working on small boards. The biggest problem today is, of course, older vision. But that's what magnifiers were invented for, I guess. 

I have saved off all these responses and will let you know how things go.

Thanks again. 

Jim C.

Jim C.
Ceres, CA

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