Nelsonb111563

I thought I would update everybody on my MRC1913 sound decoder that I purchased at the Amhearst show this year.  This is the HO scale model and I believe that the 1935 is the N scale version.

Well so far so good.  I haven't run into any major issues to speak of but there are a couple of small things I want to mention. 

First off, the sound quality is not bad at all when compared to Digitrax models.  The MRC's are 16 bit sound while the Digitrax are 8 bit and it really shows.  Also the volume is very acceptable and can be adjusted in several ways.  The fact that it has the 22 different horns I feel is a waste of resources in the sound files area and could be put to better use by refining the sounds that are present. The selection of 8 different bells is acceptable and all are quite good.  Ring rate is adjustable as well as volume.  Exhaust volume is quite good and is also adjustable.  Motor control is very good and there are the usual settings available for tweeking.  The momentum is adjustable for both aceleration and deceleration with values of 0 to 63 as the useasble range. They have is set so that 1 = one second on up to 63 = 63 seconds to go from stop to full throttle or where ever the throttle is set.  What I have done is set acel at 63 and decel at 15.  This works out well to simulate the prime mover "working" to start a train by simply using the throttle in 128 speed step mode and turning it up full to get the train moving and backing down once rolling.  There are several random sounds like pops and hisses, compressor turning on and of as well a being able to control some of those sounds.  Also dynamic braking is usable by pressing F6, the prime mover notches down by 1 and the locomotive slows as you here the dynamic brakes come on. Nice feature I think.  Now on to the individual prime mover sounds.  There are 6 different prime mover sounds and all have associated sound to go along. For example the 567 does not have dynamic brake sounds but the 645E and 710 do.  First prime mover sound is CV123=0 and is a EMD 645E.  This in my opinion is very good and has very nice ramping from one sound step to the next.  Probably my favorite sound of the 6. I use it quite alot when MU'ed with my dummy GP38-2.  The next is CV123=1 and is an EMD 645 non turbo.  This is also a good sound but lacks a little bit of the low frequencies needed, but overall is good.  Next is 123=2 and it is the EMD 710.  This is also a good sound file and works well.    On to the last prime mover, the EMD 567.  This is a fairly good sounding file but it also lacks the deep frequencies needed to emulate the classic 567 sound.   All in all for the money, I think MRC has a very good product here that just needs refinement.  I really believe that if they were to open up their eyes and allow JMRI integration along with the ability to upload custom files into their product things would improve for the significantly and would become a more viable alternative in the DCC sound market.  I hope to post some much better videos than the last one I posted but that will come with practice. 


Update 11/21/2013

Well it's been almost a year since I installed this decoder.  Happy to report that it is working like a charm!  A few things I need to correct about some of the info I stated above.

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.Now onto #'s 3 and 4, the Alcos.  MRC failed here in my opinion as the sound is just like coming out of a tin can! Especially #3, the Alco 244.  It starts out idling good but sounds like it "jumps" to notch 4 or 5 and skips 2 and 3 altogether.  This is compared to my Bachmann RS3 with a Tsunami sound value decoder. #4 is the Alco 539 and it sound very tinny also.  MRC claims to have recorded the 539 directly from a working locomotive but the sound in my opinion is poor.

I have since done more research on the Alcos sound, mostly on youtube, and after listening to a lot of alco 244 and 539 videos, I have to retract this statement.  The sound is actually very close to the prototype as it operates.

This RS3 sounds pretty much how the decoder sound is.  So I was incorrect about the 4 to 5 notch skip and had not done research. I just assummed that the sound was incorrect.  This is also true for the 539 sound.  So the Alco sounds are correct for the prototype. As for the 567 and 645 non-turbo sounds, they do lack the low frequencies needed to replicate those sounds accurately.  I compared this at my local freight yard that still uses GP9s.  (the 567 and 645 non turbo are very similar in sound)

I have since aquired a Walthers P1K GP15-1 with MRC decoder #1750 which is a drop in decoder for that model.  It is of a 645 non-turbo and the sound is more accurate than the MRC #1913 that is in the CF7.  It has more of those low frequencies needed to sound correct for the 645.

To sum things up, MRC has made some good decoders at an affordable price.  Is the sound quality as good as the more expensive Tsunami and Loksound?  The answer is no in my opinion but then again we are talking a decoder that can be purchased for half the price.  

Will I purchase MRC decoders again?  Probably, but I will be looking more to replace my locomotive fleet with factory locomotives with sound.  Those locomotives that are not available with sound will be upgraded with better sound decoders as time and money permit. 

That's all for now!

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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arthurhouston

MRC

MRC  does not provide information that is needed for working with decoders to JMRI  all others do. They have long standing reputation of providing bad products, I will send you my bad decoders, that came in Athearn Engines. This is why Athearn dropped them. If you go to the many chat rooms that talk about product quality MRC  is at the bottom. Good luck in time you will learn the real story. 

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Nelsonb111563

It's not for everybody!

But before you go saying how bad they are, you need to open up your mind and try them.  They have improved quite a bit and the decoders you refer to have not been available for some time now.  I also have been doing some reading on the forums and most people talk about all the problems that they have with the decoders but don't give specifics!  What exactly is it thats makes someone say they are "junk".  Give me a specific reason or a problem encountered with a product before passing it off.  I will admit that MRCs older DCC products are not of good quality but those have all been discontinued.  Companies don't stay in business by supplying bad product. And if they do, they either need to fix it or they WILL go out of business.  I'm not defending MRC, but before you tell me that they are a bad product, I need to know why and what are the problems encountered.  So far, I'm happy with it!

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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johncharlesrw

mrc sound

Mrc has a sound decoder #1955 for an N scale Atlas GP9 I have an Atlas GP9 with a factory decoder(NCE no sound.) I can buy the decoder from Caboose Hobbies for about $75.00 with free shipping('tax day sale,4-12thru15or16). This would leave me with the NCE decoder with no home. Or I could buy a plain DC GP9 and the decoder and have two  The plain GP9 is $65.00. ($75.00 for the decoder=$140.00,free shipping). These prices are the sale prices.I think this is a pretty good price. The question is it a good value?

john

john

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ron netti

MRC sound decoders

johncharlesrw      Trainworld out of NewYork is now selling all MRC products @ very good prices

                            I have all MRC sound decoders in my locos with very good results. Yes the newer

                             decoders are of better quality then the older  I just have not got around to change

                            out the older ones yet. I think for the price its a good value      ron netti

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Nelsonb111563

Art, send them my way if you like!

If you don't like them, maybe I will!

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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johncharlesrw

mrc sound

Ron thanks for the tip. I checked trainworld and they did not list the MRC #1955 sound decoder. You are right though the other decoders prices seem to be quite good. I wonder about shipping though. I also want to make sure the #1955 is one of the new ones and not the old 8 bit ones. I will keep looking but if I want to take advantage of Cabooses price I need to do it this weekend.

john

john

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Donald

Readback?

The original MRC decoders would not readback or report codes to JMRI (the original manual from years ago said it was not necessary).  Will the new ones readback?

Don Underwood

Modeling the Northwestern Pacific

"The Redwood Route"

HO, double deck, 17' x 18'

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Nelsonb111563

If it's on this list, it

If it's on this list, it should be current.  Right off MRC's website.

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Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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johncharlesrw

mrc 1955

I ordered the decoder from caboose and will get it the 15th, unless ups tries to deliver it while I am at the clinic having a 'procedure' done. They stick a balloon down my throat and crush scar tissue.Balloons! and my birthday is Friday! oh boy? Any way will post what I find out (about the decoder not the balloons)

john

john

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Nelsonb111563

Sounds Good John.

Not so sure about the procedure as It doesn't sound like much fun.  Let us know about the decoder when your up and running.

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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JodyG

Price?

My only issue here is that the MRC 1913 with speaker is $71 on ebay right now, I can buy an Tsunami for $79-$85 on ebay + $5-$10 for the speaker. Is it really worth saving a few bucks for the MRC? If the MRC was priced under $50, I wouldn't hesitate to try one.

Jody

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johncharlesrw

price

Jody I guess this is what I mean about price versus value. There may be little doubt that one decoder is better than another. But are they worth the cost? The other factor is what will fit in what. I looked around and could not find another sound decoder for my atlas N scale GP9 (there may have been a digitrac). I suppose if I was Mr. DCC I could make a soundtraxx or ESU fit,but I'm not. Mind you the MRC claims it is a drop in decoder. Not in my book . If you have to take the frame apart to 'drop in' a decoder you have a DCC ready or friendly decoder.

Nelson,thanks for the thought but at 64 I am more apt to 'roll over and crawl' than get 'up and running. 

john

john

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Nelsonb111563

Sorry I model in HO!

That's why I gave up on N scale a long time ago.  To hard for me personally to work with.  As for drop in style decoders, very few are "drop in" as there will be some disassembly needed.  Even HO scale decoder need some sort of work/disassembly to "drop in".  

On a side note,  I just finished an install of a Dixitrax SDN144PS sound decoder in an Athearn U30B complete with a custom made sound baffle to house a 16MM x 35mm speaker and I will tell you that the MRC decoder blows that setup right off the track!  The Digitrax decoder sounds very toy like and even though it stated as N scale when compared to the HO version (SDH164D) are identical in specs with the exception of the 32 ohms speaker rating. Both have a 1 watt output rating.  I chose the N scale model because of the fact that it has an 8 ohm speaker rating and allows a much better selection of compatible speakers.  (32 ohm speakers seem hard to come by).  As far as $85 dollar Tsunami on e-bay, I must say that they are few and far in between and when they do come up, they are usually not the sounds i need.  Most I have seen are $100 +.   MRC's can be had for less than 60 bucks to your door,.  I don't just shop e-bay for them. 

Like I said in another post, There not for everybody!  

P.S.  QSI sound decoders far and above blow away any OTHER sound decoder on the market.  (at least the ones I have had personal experience with).  Now with their new "emulation" technology. It's like standing right there!  

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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johncharlesrw

mrc 1955 sound decoder

Just installed a mrc sound decoder in to an atlas GP9. Sound is almost inaudible,engine does not move. I have not tried any adjustments yet Did make sure I was on 28 speed step. I am using a nce powercab and I'm not that familiar with it. Not looking good for MRC.

john

john

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johncharlesrw

MRC decoder

I sent an E.mail to MRC asking for help. Got an answer the next day(!) The motor contacts on the motor have to touch the pads on the decoder(without touching the frame). A bit of a sloppy fit and may need to be hard wired in the future. MRC told me the sound was low because of the small speaker. No help at all on how to make it louder(because you cant make it louder?). I wonder about a second speaker? There is as much room in the front of the frame. The MRC speaker is mounted upside down and touches  the frame. No enclosure of any kind. I will re visit Mr.DCC article's on how to improve sound.

Will let you know.

john

john

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Babbo_Enzo

No direct experience on this

No direct experience on this new decoder (just become crazy on previous and never back ! ) but I guess the key sentence was your "No enclosure of any kind"....

Give a try to make some closed box and see (well hear!) what happens?

 

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Nelsonb111563

N scale sound is never really good!

I feel your pain John, as I just got done installing an N scale DIGITRAX sound decoder in an engine.  Was not impressed.  I even tried a much bigger speaker than the 10MM one it came witrh. Try setting CV 55 = 15 for max diesel volume.  Unfortunatly with a board mounted speaker, your not going to get any volume as there is no real way to build a baffle.  Read the manual that came with it.  Remember the one I have is HO scale and comes with a 20MM speaker in a baffle.  

I see one really big issue with MRC decoders as there is NO CONSISTANCY with CVs and the settings.  It does seem that each individual model has its own set of CVs. It does seem that there is no standard set of CVs other than the required NMRA CVs.  Try making a baffle for the speaker. (You may have to remove it from the board but this will void the warranty).  

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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johncharlesrw

MRC 1955

Well I adjusted all the sound cvs to 15 (default was 12 so not much,but some,more volume. I think putting the body back on helped a little too. I wonder about drilling some small (tiny) holes in the vent fan housing directly above the speaker?

john

john

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