Oberdorfer

Building a double crossover one half at a time was the key to building this complex bit of trackwork.

First I built a right hand turnout and slip switch.  Building them together as a single crossover keeps everything in alignment.

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Notice the two jigs, positioned for the rails to line up.

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The first turnout and slip switch together.

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The right side of the slip switch.  Note the ties left out and length of rails.  This end will be in the crossover.

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Resting on the paper plan to show location.  The two slips in the center have already been made into the left half of a double slipover.  Thanks to TimWarris labeling the combination.

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Two more slip switches.

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Now I build the left hand turnout and slip switch.  Place the ties - - -

 

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line the two jigs up - - -

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Normal procedure is to place the stock rails first.  Since I am building the switches together I have to deviate a bit,  The first Frog/stock rail in place here.  The top rail is just for alignment purposes.

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Turnout Stock rails soldered in place. Don't forget to remove the flange for the points. I put in the guard rails too, out of suggested order, but it works for me.

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Move this out of the way and make the other Frog and stock rail for the slip switch.

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I made the length of the stock rail long enough to overlap into the other half of the double slip.

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Keeping paper templates around. Remember to cut gaps in pc ties, I'll cut gaps in rail later.

Stock rails and frogs complete and soldered in place. 

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Fill in the points and center rails as usual.  The right side of the slip switch will be done in the crossover jig.

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I pop the turnout and slip switch out and reverse 180 degrees. This shows the problem with using the slip switch jig for a single, or double crossover.  Now I have to remove the two ties on the slip switch, drop some more pc ties in the crossover jig and fix the slip switch.

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flip the two 180 again, see the change in the slip switch?

I only replace the first four PC crossties. but I would like to go back 7 ties.

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Now the single crossover with slip switch is complete. ( I'll go into putting on the throw bars later)

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Now to add this to the other slip switch as half a crossover.

The top slip switch, finished in the crossover jig, with the new lower slip laid in place.

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Close up of the pinch point.  This is crucial! When building the slip switch and leaving this half unfinished, it is vital that the point at which the rails are bent be marked and bent.  I use this to align the switch in the crossover jig.

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Not ready to solder it in yet, first get the alignment fairly straight and cut and shape the center Toad. The other rail is a frog.  I use the Point,Frog and Toad tool that came with the Slip switch kit.  The slip switch angles are close enough to the crossover for me.

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Align the pinch point and solder that first. Make sure the main line aligns with the turnout and solder the center point and the stock rail.

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Fill in the rest of the crossover bits as usual.

Here is the first half, most of the throw bars are in place and have started on the ties.

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I tried using the Quick Sticks but could only use half, or a third of a stick because of the alignment of the pc ties on the slip switches not being square with the main lines.  I've ordered a bunch of Quick Sticks for single crossover but I'm afraid I'll be doing most of the wood ties by hand.

And then I remembered the left half of the two slip switches hanging off the board both have to go into another single crossover, two double slip switches together, so the wood ties, and several of the PC ties will have to come off that end as well. Still a work in progress.

Next I'll show what I came up with for the throw bars.

Sorry for the excess length, thanks for viewing, thanks for all the comments!

Full size of the last photo attached.

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Oberdorfer

making the first half of the crossover

Dang long post and I now see I left out the part where the first slip switch goes into the crossover jig. Basically it is the same as the second half.  Put the ties in place. Align the pinch point  and the main line and solder it and the outside stock rail. I left the center stock rail until I could put the two together and trim and file to shape,

Also, I found it necessary to place half height ties in the jig to hold up the ties while soldering.  The Slip switch will not drop into the crossover jig, the ties do not line up. Just line up the rails. 

Sorry for any confusion.

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Benny

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That is a gorgeous sculpture in rail indeed!!!

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Benny's Index or Somewhere Chasing Rabbits

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JLandT Railroad

OMG......

And I thought I was having issues with one odd angled crossover! You win hands down, that is one serious piece of track work. I'd hate to see the wiring diagram and how your going to make it all work, unless your HO locomotives are actual diesel operated... Jas...
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Oberdorfer

OMG JlandT

Right now I'm just concentrating on good reliable trackwork.  Can't really test it until it is laid to rest on the road bed, and the servos are hooked up.  As for wiring, I have worked in electronics since the early 80's.  Built my first computer in 1980.  I've done a fair bit of reading on the railroad groups in Yahoo.  I intend to cover the wiring when I get to that stage.  With my experience in electronics I see that this will be very complex but I foresee no problems handling that step when I get to it.  If I do have problems, I know where I can find a bunch of very talented folks.

I will be using JMRI and I am really looking forward to trying to figure out how.

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Fast Tracks

Spectacular!

Wow, most impressive!  Great to see someone taking the tools to the max!

I added a link to this thread to our Fast Tracks Facebook page, I'm sure others will be inspired by your work.

Tim Warris

Fast Tracks

 

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tetters

Sweet

Very nice indeed.  And props from The Man himself.  Well done!

 Shane T.

 

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P Bender

WOW!

This is one of the things I would love to make. Gives me a good lead on how to archive this.

Thx!!

Paul Bender,

Everybody can shovel, firing is a skill

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Greg Wolfe

Once in a Lifetime...

I have heard from older Model Railroaders that One should build a Slip switch, or a Double Crossover, once in Their life's. But I think You have taken it to a new level. This post reminds Me of Tim's work on the Bronx Terminal track work. There are not words to describe the skill, and the art, of building complex track work that makes One's jaw drop to the floor!

Keep at it, I'm looking forward to seeing this progress.

Greg Wolfe

Owner/Operator

SOUTH OROVILLE RAILROAD COMPANY

"SO it's My Railroad..."

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herronp

"Holy Cow" as Phil "Scooter" Rizzuto would say.................

...........the wiring and control will be something!!!  What an impressive piece of trackwork!

Peter

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splitrock323

Question about last photo

This looks amazing. Just wondering where tracks 2 and 7 , counting from the top down, are going to go? Looks like a tight clearance between the double slip and the outside tracks. Thomas G.

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

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Ken Biles Greyhart

That's what I call..

A spaghetti bowl!

I plan to get Fast Tracks jigs and build my own turnouts simply for the reliability factor, but I don't ever see myself making anything of near that complexity. I'm reminded of the words of Indiana Jones, "It belongs in a museum!"

I agree that the wiring will be fairly straight forward compared to the track work. Just keep your continuity tester handy.

 

 Ken Biles

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arthurhouston

BRONX TERMINAL NOW IN 2ND PLACE

I think Tim will be jealous. Outstanding craftsman ship.
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monkeymeat

Excellent Work

Wow, you have inspired me to get back to work with the Fast Tracks jigs.  I bought a couple last summer to help me out with some dual gage track work, but have had a lull period as far as construction goes.  The jigs certainly are worth every penny, but they do have a bit of a learning curve I found out.   Nice job on an extremely complex bit of right of way, and I'll certainly be looking forward to seeing more!

Jon Reynolds

Freelancing the northern Sierras in HO/HOn3

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tetters

I don't know if you mentioned it?

But how big is your layout?  I'm guessing you have a massive passenger / freight operation if you require that level of complex track work to route your trains to their different destinations? 

 Shane T.

 

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Oberdorfer

Question about last photo

6 tracks total.  Yes, I screwed up.  The two slips on the left will have to be taken apart, they will actually be part of the next slip crossing tracks 2 and 5, from there they will go into turnouts on track 1 and 6.

This should help explain the extension.

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Oberdorfer

Tetters - I don't know if you mentioned it?

I mentioned in previous post, I don't really have room to build an actual layout right now.  In the process of building other stuff, like a house.  I have a 4x16 L girder test track.  Testing and learning how to build the benchwork, raised roadbed, laid one complete oval of track, built two turnouts and two slip switches, put servos underneath and got that part working.  Mostly just as a learning experience.

My test track stands on edge and is on wheels so I can roll it out of the pole barn to work on it.  Others may spend a lot of time working on their railroads in the winter but the cold and snow I can do without.  As it is, I have been working on a board, laid over two saw horses on the front porch.  Sunny days when it isn't too cold.

I drew up plans for the train station, platforms and car shed.  I have one passenger train at the moment.  Boxes of parts that will turn into more rolling stock.  My one train measures in at 7 foot so I figured that would be a good length for a car shed.  I was heavily influenced by stations I visited in Europe and England.  I figured 6 tracks would look good so that is where my plans started.

I had to be able to work on something so I decided to break my plans into modules small enough I could easily work on both sides and set into place later. This bit of trackwork seemed a good place to start.  I am just shy of being half way through.  After drawing up a track plan, I found this photo which is just what I am building.

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My track work is split straight across the middle of the two double slipovers. 6 tracks from left to right just like mine.

But that is only the beginning.  Next will be drilling holes for the throwbars and wiring. Oh and I have to cut all the gaps and make sure all the PC ties are cut right,  Tons of work.

I didn't want to post anything until I knew I could do this.  Now I have started it will probably be longer between posts but I intend to document each major step of the way.  Including setting up temp yards at each end of this so I can run trains back and forth through this.

Soon as it warms up a bit, I'll be out front working on the other half.  Stay tuned!

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splitrock323

Crossing in the middle construction

Did you use a FT jig to build the crossing in the middle of this double slip-over? If you just built it by going with a template, there is ope for the rest of us. It looks great and I think when you fix the turnouts on the ends, your 6 track throat will be lined up perfectly. I am building a yard ladder to a passenger terminal for FreeMo modules, and doing the double track approach with double slips on the inside ladder and regular number 8 on the outside track. This is so you can reach the passenger terminal from a double track mainline and get to any track like you are building. Please keep us posted and keep the fire burning. This is a cool build. Thomas G.

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

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Oberdorfer

Thomas - crossing in the middle

I started with the FT #8 double slip switch.  I cut the rail long but left off the PC ties from each end.  Then I used a FT #8 double crossover jig, loaded the PC ties and put the top slip switch in, followed by the bottom slip switch.

The templates (paper dolls) were more so I knew what I was doing and to get an idea of the overall length of the project. I stuck them on a board and drilled holes for pushpins.  When I get to the stage of mounting this on roadbed, I will use the pins and run wires lengthwise for alignment.

I've gone through the process step by step in photos.  Purpose being to inspire persons like yourself and really, it isn't that difficult with the jigs.  My hands are in sad shape. I couldn't do it without the jigs.

Have you done a blog on your project? I checked but didn't see anything about the trackwork.  I'd be interested in seeing.

Thanks

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slow.track

curious as to where you got

curious as to where you got the photo of the Lake St interlocking up there?

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Laidlaym

Track Spacing

To use double slips on a double cross-over you need wide track spacing as you have.  I got one double slip into a cross-over with 11' 6" track centres by off-setting the diamond.  An FT jig would have helped, this took me many hours, it includes a tandem (three way) at the far end,

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Greg Amer gregamer

Fantastic work!

Fantastic work!
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Larry of Z'ville

Glad to see this being done

I have been contemplating something similar for my pax terminal. Like you just an idea, but yours is coming to life. Inspirational great work. Larry

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

check out my MRH blog: https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/42408

 or my web site at http://www.llxlocomotives.com

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ctxmf74

"afraid I'll be doing most of the wood ties by hand"

 Wow, that takes a lot of dedication to construct so much track work for a small area. Is that for a city passenger terminal? . With a  paper print out of the whole assembly it might be easier to glue the wood and PC board ties down to a base board and then shape the points and frog and solder all the rails in place over the ties? Aligning the jigs to work together and putting the ties in last seems like more work to me? .DaveB

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Big_boy1967

Hoe made joint from Double Slip H0

Well I have found ...
I am very glad that I found these site model train enthusiasts ...
I am delighted by the achievements of crossing "home made" H0 scale after the site discovered technique http://www.handlaidtrack.com hence I was inspired and created switches that are excited ...
    I realized and Double Slip but I have a question, namely interest me how you made ​​the crossing possible joint if it can show some photos ...
Thank you!

Big-Boy1967-Romania

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