robboxxx

Hi All

I'm planning a lay-out (short line/branch line) loosely based somewhere in the new-england region. The most difficult part of the whole is finding out what kind of rolling stock was used in the 1930's. As a non American I find it difficult to find my way in this. There are so much variations that I'm completely lost. 

Is there some kind of (online) reference I could use? 

Regards,

Rob

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DKRickman

Hope this helps

There is no single source that I am aware of.  There used to be a web site devoted to steam era freight cars, but it seems to have disappeared.

The vast majority of freight cars in that era were box cars, and most would have had wooden sides.  Some were single sheathed and had visible external framework, others were double sheathed and had wooden siding.  There were a few steel cars, such as the PRR X-29.  The larger 40' steel box cars which are so readily available in the HO world are mostly designs of the late '30s or early '40s., such as the ARA/AAR 1932/37 cars and the ubiquitous PS1.  Boswer, Red Caboose, Roundhouse, and Accurail will be your main sources for box cars, unless you want to lok at the resin kits from Funaro & Camerlengo.

You would also find some 8,000 and 10,000 gallon tank cars, but very very few were railroad owned, and most of them were in captive service for a given commodity or company.  If some business on your layout is selling petroleum products, you'll need tank cars.  Proto 2000 and Intermountain (I think) have decent tank cars.  There is a wide range of tank cars available from companies like Athearn, Walthers, Bachmann, and pretty much everyone else, but some may need a little work depending on your visual standards.

Bulk commodities like coal, sand, gravel, and pretty much anything else cheap and able to withstand the weather was usually shipped in open hoppers.  While there were three and even four bay hoppers in the '30s, by far the most common would be a two bay design like the USRA 55 ton model.  Bowser, Accurail, Athearn, and I think Atlas have decent open hoppers.

Anything too big or bulky to fit inside a box car would generally have been loaded on a flat car.  Because it was possible to drive on and off the flat car deck, you would also frequently see agricultural equipment loaded on flat cars.  Most in that era would be in the 40' range, with steel frames and wooden decks.  Several companies make flat cars, including Athearn and Red caboose (just off the top of my head).

Gondolas in that era were primarily low sided, and would have been used much like hoppers (in fact, many had hopper doors in the floor) for hauling bulk goods.  They were also often used much like flat cars, hauling lumber, poles, or pipe.  Low sided gons would also be used for hauling company materials like sand, ash, or ballast, because the low sides were easier to shovel material over.  Accurail makes some nice gons, and many inexpensive models can be easily modified by lowering the sides.

There were other car types, such as stock cars and covered hoppers, but they were less common.  Proto 2000 makes (or made) a very nice Mather stock car, but I am not aware of any other decent models.  Covered hoppers were not all that common in the '30s - if something had to be protected it was generally bagged or loaded loose into box cars.  Things like sand for locomotives were handled in hoppers or gons, and dried on site as needed.

Please note, this is far from a complete list of cars or models.  This is just what I can recall off the top of my head.  In general, stick with cars no longer than 40' or so, with steel frames and wooden bodies on the box cars, and make the box cars the predominant car type.  Also, try to stay away from homogeneity, since cars in that era varied wildly.  I would also suggest trying to keep 60%-70% of the cars reasonably local (New England roads) to help set the scene.  Cars could and did travel all over the country, and some never (or very rarely) saw their home roads, so feel free to have a few Southern Pacific, Canadian National, Southern, Florida East Coast, etc. cars in the mix.

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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jlrc47

Accurail Cars

If you go to Accurail's website and click on the different car types they have the build year for most if not all the cars they offer.

There is also a New England 12 cars set that is offered only through Hobby Tyme distributors.

If you need more info or interested in this 12 car set just ask or contact me off list.

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IrishRover

Tichy cars

Tichy makes a variety of nice styrene kits, and they all have dates of use with the descriptions.  A fair amount are from your era.  The old Roundhouse boxcab, if remotered, can be a good unusual locomotive.  An early Overton coach, such as Roundhouse used to make, and not too expensive on Ebay, can be a good MOW car or repurposed to a trackside shed/office.

Railroad equipment could last a LONG time in different roles before being scrapped.

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David Husman dave1905

1930's cars

Virtually all the cars would have steel underframes.

Boxcars

  • single sheathed boxcars with wood sides and an exposed metal truss (there were numerous designs)
  • Doublesheathed boxcars with wood sides and metal or wood ends.
  • USRA and similar boxcars, the X29 was an example. 10's of thousands of these cars were produced for various roads.  low boxcars with an 8 ft to 9 ft IH.
  • 10 ft IH steel boxcars
  • 10 ft 6 in IH steel boxcars

Most boxcars would be in the 40 ft IL range, a few 36 ft wandering around (especially in the NE).  There were also special 50 ft boxcars for shipping auto's, auto parts and airplane parts.

Gons

Older cars mostly in the 40-46 ft range.  USRA design was popular.  By the late 1930's 50 and the more common 52'6" gons were starting to show up.  There were a few 60 and 65 ft gons .

Older cars would be composite (steel underframe and wood sides), newer cars all steel.  The wood hopper bottom gons were retired mostly in the 1920's.

Hoppers

The steel hopper was pretty much standard.  Earlier cars would be the rib side cars of various ilk, with the newer cars built in the 1930's offset side cars.  Triples and quads were also common.  What would not be common were the composite hoppers since most of them were built in WW2.  If you are doing New England, the PRR H21 quad (Bowser) would be a common car.

Flats

The 40-53 ft flat with a steel frame (cast or riveted) was common.

Reefers

Virtually all ice cooled.  many wood side cars with steel sided cars new.  Meat reefers would be the short 36 ft cars.  "Billboard" reefers were banned.

Covered hoppers

A few rare examples for cement service, virtually all twins   Some were rebuilt from twin hoppers.  Virtually all ribbed side cars.

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Joe Brugger

Good photos

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsachtml/fsacSubjects04.html#bottom

The U.S. government's Farm Security Administration produced a stunning archive of photos in the 1930s and 1940s.

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dreesthomas

Steam era freight car group

The Yahoo site is alive and well and very active:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/

Not just rivet counting, but rivet _sizing_, and I say that not to be disparaging.  The level of esoteric knowledge on that group can be quite intimidating at times, but if you're after specific information, you'll find it there.

David

 

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IrishRover

Billboards banned?

When were the billboard reefers banned in New England?  I never knew that!

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Crusty Old Shellback

Here's a link to info

Here's a link I've used in the past that helps identify cars and when they were built. It's basically for N scale cars but it gives you a time line of when the prototype was built.

 

http://www.visi.com/~spookshow/freight/freight.html

My arms got too short so I've switched to G scale. Old steam and early diesel are my choice of loco. Scratch built is better.

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Michael Tondee

Tichy

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Tichy makes a variety of nice styrene kits, and they all have dates of use with the descriptions.  A fair amount are from your era.

Just be advised that assembling a Tichy kit is a little more involved than your typical Accurail kit. In return though, you get some nice looking cars with wire grab irons that you can mix with simpler Accurail cars and get the look of a nice fleet.

Michael

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robboxxx

Thanks a lot guy's. This is

Thanks a lot guy's.

This is more information than I could hope for. This will keep me busy over the Christmas days

 

Regards,

Rob 

The Netherlands

 

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NYWB

Rob, I'll add one more thing

Rob, I'll add just one more thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, but is of concern in the accurate selection of late 1930's rolling stock from commercial kits. It is identifying which cars have the correct paint, herald and lettering schemes for the era in question.

A high percentage of the cars offered in the marketplace today, while having a "built date" on them that may be appropriate to the 1930's, are actually finished in paint and lettering schemes from a later era, making them more accurate for the post war years, but not 1938. Many U.S. railroads entirely changed their herald and lettering appearance right after the war and this situation can give you fits attempting to find cars with an accurate-to-the-year appearance, especially since only a few model manufacturers actually list the period of the paint/lettering schemes appearing on their cars. As a modeler of a railroad set in 1941 I run into this problem all the time and try to use dated period photos of cars as reference to what kits I buy.

NYW&B

 

  

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robboxxx

I've just ordered two

I've just ordered two Tichy kits. Just to try out. I prefer kits over r-t-r. Since it will be a (for US standards) small lay-out i can build my rolling stock from kits.

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joef

Tichy isn't an advertiser ...

Tichy isn't an advertiser - did you mention MRH to them when you ordered?

For those who want to send Tichy a little note about advertising in MRH, click here.

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JerryC

I'm surprised no one mentioned...

Westerfield Models.  Rob, if you are interested in craftsman style rolling stock for that period you have to take a look at them.  Here is a link to their site:  http://www.westerfieldmodels.com/ These are resin kits not intended for beginners, and they are not cheap, but with patience you can build remarkable pieces of rolling stock appropriate to the period. 

Another good source, although somewhat difficult to obtain, are Sunshine Model kits.  Again, these are craftsman style resin kits which also build into great models, many of which represent cars from the 1930's.  Here is the unofficial website:  http://www.sunshinekits.com Sunshine handles orders only by mail, and delivery can take up to 6 months.  From the home page select the tab labeled Flyers by RR for extensive information on the prototypes of the kits they offer.

Note:  Neither Sunshine or Westerfield advertise here so be sure to tell them about MRH.  Also, Sunshine offers international shipping, but it is not clear if Westerfield does.  Al Westerfield recently sold the company, but it appears the new owners are up and running.

For box cars, whether you choose to model a New England branch or short line, you will want a predominance of rolling stock from the regional Class I railroads your line would interchange with.  BAR, MEC, B&M, CV, CN, NH, B&A.  I am sure I missed a few.  Due to the size of their freight car fleets in relation to the national fleet, you will also need to include a number of PRR and NYC cars.  Add a few from the Mid-Atlantic region such as B&O, C&O and you'll be OK. Only a few western road cars such as UP, AT&SF, WP would be appropriate.

I hope this helped. Merry Christmas

Jerry

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Larry Smith MMR

1930s freight cars

 

I have done extensive research on these cars as I model 1942, so here goes.  The largest fleet of boxcars was the 1937 AAR boxcar.  It has been produced by Red Caboose (Intermountain), Athearn, And a slew of others.  You can have many variations of that car.  C&O my standard gauge prototype had that box car with at least two different end designs and three different door designs.  The car also came with two different corner post designs and in a double door version.  The next most frequently used car was the 1932 AAR design.  This car was produced by Atlas and Funero, and Sunshine models.  You also had the 1923 AAR design which was produced by Funero.  The PRR X-29 design had more cars produced then any other freight car with over 27000 of them in service.  Models of the car in different variations were produced by Red Caboose for all of the railroads who used them.  The X-31 and X-32 round roof cars that caused the height standard to be raised on boxcars are produced by Bowser.  You will find them in N&W and Virginian lettering as well.  Tichy makes the USRA box car that was used on many roads as does Westerfield, warning the Tichy USRA rebuild was for only one railroad so is inaccurate for all others, except NYC.  Walthers makes the Mather boxcars which also era specific.  The PS-1 did not appear until the late 40s.

Hopper cars: Accurail and Tichy make the USRA 55-ton hoppers.  Westerfield makes the USRA 70-ton hoppers.  Bowser makes the PRR GLA, GLC and H21 and H22 hoppers.  They also make the fishbelly hoppers that were used throughout the east as well.  The Athearn quads were also used as well as the offset side cars made by Atlas.

Tank cars: Type 21 by Wathers and type 27 by Intermountain are available.

Reefers:  The Branchline, Atlas 40 foot cars are good and depending on the time frame in the 30s you can run billboards.  The 36 foot meat reefers were exempt from the billboard ban as they only carried products for the leasee of the cars.  These are available from Atlas and Athearn as well.

Hope this helps you

Larry Smith 

 

        

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Eric Hansmann Eric H.

1920s Era HO Scale Freight Car Model Guide

Hey Rob,

1920s era HO scale plastic freight cars on my blog. You may find it handy as all of the models listed on the guide represent prototypes in-use through the 1930s.

Eric Hansmann
Contributing Editor, Model Railroad Hobbyist

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Brian Jobling

Billboard reefers/boxcars

As another modeller of the 1930's scene, based outside the USA I was interested in the comments on billboard reefers. The dating of these has always been a bit of a mystery to me. They seem to have originated in the late 19th century or early 20th. and continued into the 1930's when they were banned. A number of questions arise.

1. Presumably reefers advertising alcoholic products disappeared during prohibition 1922-33?

2. Did the ban apply to privately owned cars or only to those which were railroad owned?

3. I model late 30's were any surviving then?

4. What are the dates of the various AT&SF maps on their cars and were they used only on reefers?

I am sure more questions wll occur to me but can anyone help with these for starters/

Brian

 

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numbersmgr

Eric - Thank you

Eric

Thank you for the freight car guide.  It has been a while since I visited your site.  Really enjoyed your write-up about South Elkins BTW.

Tichy has a tank car model - what do you think of it?   I noticed it was not listed in the Tichy group in your guide, or is the Walthers/Proto 2000 tank car a significantly better model?

 

Jim Dixon    MRM 1040

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Graham Tomkins

1930s Rolling Stock logos

Joe, w/ the Amherst Rly Society, provided you some pix above.  Note that the Central Vermont Rly [CV] logo was not introduced until sometime after 1960.  The New Haven logo is also from much later than the 1930s.  I don't have an answer for you as to how to ensure you have correct logos on your rolling stock but perhaps another MRH reader can help you.

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Eric Hansmann Eric H.

Tichy tank car

Jim, the Tichy tank car is a wonderful kit, but.....It represents a prototype freight car that was designed, but not built at the time of design. The model follows a USRA design from the WW1 era. A small quantity were built in the early 1940s for a Canadian petroleum firm, so this fine HO scale model does not match any tank car among the prototype fleet of the 1920s. There has been an article on the WW2 prototype and model upgrade, but I can't recall the publication. RMC, maybe. Eric

Eric Hansmann
Contributing Editor, Model Railroad Hobbyist

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numbersmgr

Eric - Thank you

Eric

Thanks for the info on the Tichy tank car.  I have a weakness for tank cars and really liked the look (and price) of this model.  I had planned on building them when I got ready to start on rolling stock, but like you and the OP I had wanted to set my rr in the 1920's or early 1930's.  I may need to rethink some things.  It's good to know about their other kits.

Jim Dixon    MRM 1040

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Benny

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Ticky/Gould are a pure joy to assemble.  There are a ton of parts, but I have found Tichy parts are some of the best fitting plastic models I have ever touched.  Very Well Engineered!

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robboxxx

Well Guy's (are there any

Well Guy's (are there any girls here?)

I got my packed in the mail today. It contained 2 Tichy models. You were absolute right. They are little gems. Yummy, what a lot of parts. I can't wait to start on them. 

 

I'm sure I will order more at Tychy (Yes Joe,  this time I will mention mrhmag)

 

Regards,

Rob

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skiwiggy

Don't forget Funaro & Camerlengo

Another good source of cars is Funaro & Camerlengo.   The freight car listings show many of the dates the cars were in service.  

http://www.fandckits.com/

After mastering a bunch of the Tichy kits, with a littler patience a Funaro kit can be put together.  I would recommend starting out with the flat car kits, working up to gondola kits, then move on to the box cars.  Some kits are one piece resin body's and will be noted in the description of the kit while others, are putting all sides roof and floor together.  The tank car kits are a bit more complex with getting everything lined up right but look really good when done.  

You do have to supply the trucks and couplers for these kits.  

 

Greg

 

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