DKRickman

I've wanted a lathe for years.  I'm a member of a model engineering mailing list, I love reading about machining on the web, I have a few books on the subject, I've even thought about building my own lathe from homemade castings.  The only problem is I have neither the space nor real need for a lathe.  I'd use it from time to time, of course, but it the grand scheme of things it's hard to justify even a small hobby lathe.  Somehow, I doubt I'm alone.

The thing is, there are times when a lathe really is the tool for the job.  Especially if you're thinking about scratch building or heavy kitbashing, sooner or later you're going to want something round.  What do you do?  I built my own lathe!  Well, sort of.  See for yourself.  This is based (somewhat loosely, admittedly) on the Fonly lathe (as in, "If only I had a lathe..").  Here's my version:

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You can probably figure out how it's built just from that photo, but I'll describe it a little.  Bear in mind, I'm no expert, just a guy armed with a tiny bit of knowledge and a willingness to break something.

The heart of the lathe is an old drill.  I bought it at a thrift store for $5, I believe.  It's nothing fancy, and it sounds horrible, but it works.  The two most important parts for my purposes are the trigger lock and the handle mounting holes on each side.  The trigger lock is obvious - I pulled the trigger in all the way and locked it in place, since I made my own variable speed control for the lathe - more on that later.  The handle mounting holes are what I used to mount the drill in the homemade wooden cradle.  Most are 1/4" bolt thread, and I happened to have a couple bolts with wing nut heads in the garage.  Fortunately for me, this particular drill has nice flat parallel sides, so I can really clamp those bolts down tight.  The drill can still tilt up and down a little, but so far it hasn't made any difference.  If I ever feel the need to make a tail stock, I'll take the time to get the drill mounted more rigidly and with the spindle perfectly level.

To control the speed, I mounted a nice inexpensive metal box on the base board, and wired a light dimmer into the power cord.  This particular dimmer (maybe all of them?) has a very handy push on-off feature, and mounted as it is all I have to do is hit the knob to turn the lathe on or off.

I tried making a face plate out of plywood, but it was less than a success.  Mounting is simple enough - the drill spindle has 5/16" (I think) fine bolt threads, so nuts and bolts can be purchased at any decent hardware store.  So far, though, I've found that the standard chuck seems to be suitable for most of my needs, and it's a lot better than anything I can build easily.

Since most of what I'm doing is going to be either brass or styrene, and also since a lot of it will be odd shapes that are difficult to machine perfectly, and since I didn't feel like making anything fancy, I decided to forego the typical tool post.  Instead, I grabbed a few scraps of plywood which put my cutting tool at about the spindle height.  I simply hold the tool in my hand and shape things free-form, however looks about right.

Speaking of tools, I tried my best to make files work.  I tried using the cutting surfaces, the flats, even the tangs.  They work, sort of, but they do more mangling than cutting.  I finally had to bite the bullet and invest in.. a screwdriver.  Somehow or another, I wound up with an old flat blade screwdriver with a bent shank.  Maybe I bent it trying to pry on something (probably) or maybe someone else did and I inherited it.  However it came to me, it's useless as a screwdriver.  I filed one face nice and flat, then the tip and both sides flat and angled away from the face, making three cutting edges at roughly 90 degrees to one another.  The handle is a lot easier to hold that the tang of a file, and with this tool I can easily shave down styrene.  I haven't tried it on brass yet, but I'm expecting good results when I do.

I also made myself a spindle for holding small pieces of styrene.  Styrene is soft enough that the chuck jaws will simply destroy it, and the force of cutting could twist small pieces right out of the jaws.  I took two telescoping pieces of copper tubing and soldered them together, with the smaller piece extending out beyond the larger by about 1/2" or so.  This I drilled and tapped for a 00-90 screw, the head of which is very slightly larger than the tube.  The dimensions are not critical - what matters is that I have a metal piece which I can mount in the chuck, and onto which I can slip anything with a hole of the right diameter and clamp it down with the screw.  I have used this to turn steam and sand domes, and most recently this little gem:

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The picture is a little fuzzy, I know - it's an enlargement from the previous photo.  That's a smokebox front for my Porter.  I started by rough cutting and gluing up three layers of .040" styrene, along with a tube to make the stack long enough to clap onto my spindle.  In the photo, you can see that I've turned a step on the back to fit inside the smokebox tube, and turned down the door on the front.

So, there you have it.  For less than $20, plus a little time and some scraps of wood, I have a lathe suitable for 90% of my model railroad needs, and I can improve it in the future if needed.

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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numbersmgr

Ingenious

Ken

That is ingenious.  I bet you could do something similar with a moto-tool.  Now you have given me a new garage project.  Like you I have no need for a permanent lathe, so this may come in handy some day.  Thanks for the idea.

BTW - a drill with a metal housing - what a find.  My dad had one that looked just like that. It was indestructible - not like thing we have to buy today. 

Jim Dixon    MRM 1040

A great pleasure in life is doing what others said you were not capable of doing!   

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tetters

Use a clamp

I've used a clamp to secure my drill to the work bench in a pinch.  Seems to work when I need it to. 

 Shane T.

 

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Kevin Rowbotham

Not bad...

Do you plan to market a CNC kit for it? [wink]

I can see where that might work in a pinch.

Using a Dremel held horizontally in the Dremel workstation would probably work too.  I'll have to try that.  The larger drill chuck might be better though...?

It's not as pretty as a Sherline...but somewhat less expensive.

A neat idea for making do. Thanks for sharing it.

~Kevin

Appreciating Modeling In All Scales but majoring in HO!

Not everybody likes me, luckily not everybody matters.

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DKRickman

I'm happy!

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I bet you could do something similar with a moto-tool.

That's what the Fonly lathe uses.  I chose a drill because:

  1. Old drills are cheaper.
  2. Drills generally come with 3-jaw chucks instead of collets.
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BTW - a drill with a metal housing - what a find.

I know a thing or two about tools, so when I found this one, I had no qualms about buying it.  It's old and ugly and noisy, but as long as it worked (I was able to test it before buying) I knew it would be reliable.

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I've used a clamp to secure my drill to the work bench in a pinch.

I've done the same, and this is really just an extension of that.  By mounting the drill on a base, I gained a few advantages:

  1. I can move the lathe wherever I need to.
  2. I could add a variable speed control.
  3. I can have a tool rest.
  4. I'm not tying up my "good" drills or my bench vise.

By the way, I just tried my new cutting tool on brass, turning down the flanges and faces of a couple old Tyco drivers.  It works beautifully, even allowing me to smoothly turn away the counterweight on the drivers.  That sort of interrupted cut had not been possible using files, as the file would simply follow whatever irregular surface I put it against.  If you build a lathe like this, make a proper cutting tool!  I'm thinking of buying a couple more screwdrivers and modifying them, making some smaller or differently shaped tools.

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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Kevin Rowbotham

The Proper Tool...

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If you build a lathe like this, make a proper cutting tool!  I'm thinking of buying a couple more screwdrivers and modifying them, making some smaller or differently shaped tools.

Ken Rickman

Now I`m waiting for that thread... [grin]

~Kevin

Appreciating Modeling In All Scales but majoring in HO!

Not everybody likes me, luckily not everybody matters.

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DKRickman

Nothing fancy

Kevin, if/when I get around to making more tools, I'll probably just post pics in this thread.  They won't be anything fancy.  For brass and styrene, I suspect that any old chunk of steel will do.  From what little I know, the important thing is that the tool has about 10 degrees of rake, or relief, so that the vertical sides lean away from the edge slightly.

I need to find some more super cheap screwdrivers.  A bench grinder would be handy, but I can make do with a Dremmel and some files.

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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Bernd

Metal Mailing list

Ken,

I'm curious, is that list called rec-crafts-metalworking? Also would you mind if I added so more lathe content on lathes and home built lathes?

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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DKRickman

Model Engineering mailing list

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I'm curious, is that list called rec-crafts-metalworking?

Nope.  http://www.kepler-eng.com/lists/info/modeleng-list  I've been on it for a number of years, and the breadth and depth of the knowledge there is truly impressive.

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Also would you mind if I added so more lathe content on lathes and home built lathes?

Please do!  My goal was to show that you don't have to invest hundreds of dollars and learn tons of new skills to be able to make your own parts.  If there are other ideas out there, let's see 'em!

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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Bernd

Keplers list

I was a member there for quite some time. I was also on a couple of metal working forums. On one,, Madmodder, I was a moderator. Sort of lost interest in metal working since I did it for over 30 years.

I've been looking for an article that shows a lathe driven from an old sewing machine motor. When I find it I'll post it. It's very versatile with some other attachments. Ideal for the modeler.

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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DKRickman

Sewing machine ideas

I'd like to see that article.  I've also wondered how hard it would be to make a lathe powered by an old treadle sewing machine.  It would be handy to have the stand, but I'm not sure if it would really be worth the trouble.  After all, the main cost of the lathe isn't the motor!

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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Bernd

Treadle powered lathes

There were such animals. Used by watch makes. Of course they also used bow lathes. Had to be tough running the lathe with one hand and cutting with a graver in the other.

I found what I was looking for, but my scanner decided not to work. Have to reload the software.

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Michael Tondee

If you have a little bit of extra money....

You could get the Dremel " workstation" which gives you drill press and lathe type functions. Not meaning to dampen the DIY spirit though. I just lucked up and got mine for Fathers day one year and thought I'd mention them.

Michael

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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Bernd

Lathe

Michael,

Your not dampening the DYI spirit at all. Using a Dremel as a lathe is sort of DYI.

I wish I could get my other computer working right so I scan a picture of a home built lathe. It's about the size of a key board, not one on an iPhone, but on a desk top computer. It uses a drill chuck, a face late and you can add a small diameter saw blade to cut wood.

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Bernd

Another Home Built Lathe

Finally got my older computer working again and was able to scan a picture in of a home built lathe. I didn't build it. It'll give another perspective of a home built lathe. More complicated? Yes, but doable.

 

 

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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DKRickman

Nice lathe, Bernd

Bernd,

I really like that lathe.  Did the author make his own headstock and tailstock castings?  If I could find a couple castings like that milled flat on the bottom and with a hole bored parallel to the flat, I could make a decent lathe out of them!  It's getting the bores perfectly parallel to the bed that gives me trouble.  I would use the same parts for both head- and tailstock, so that it would be easy to mount a drill bit in the tailstock, or a live or dead center.  All it would take would be some way to clamp the tailstock spindle, I suppose.

Dang it, now I'm having lots of creative idea on how to build lathes, instead of models!

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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nmra guest

Might as well go all the way

I used to use a drill as a lathe.  While what you have is a good start, you'll probably find that turning it into a completed lathe is well worth the effort.  After having built a mini-lathe, I've found so many uses for it, that I'm wondering why I didn't do it earlier.

Also, you can grind a cutting tool out of ordinary 1/4" cold-rolled bar stock, and it will work much better than a screwdriver or file.

 

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DKRickman

Screwdrivers vs. bar stock

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Also, you can grind a cutting tool out of ordinary 1/4" cold-rolled bar stock, and it will work much better than a screwdriver or file.

I basically used the screwdriver as a cheap supply of steel with a handle already installed.  I reground the tip to have a better cutting profile.  It worked well enough that I want to make some more.  I'll probably pick up a cheap dollar store screwdriver set.  In truth, the handle is more valuable than the tip!

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After having built a mini-lathe

I'd love to see some details of how you built your lathe, if you care to share.

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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Bernd

Tools for a lathe

The material in screw drivers isn't hard enough to turn any kind of metal before you'll need to sharpen it. What is needed is "tool steel". This has a higher carbon content and makes it a very hard metal able to cut soft steel such as 1018. (1018 is the softest steel you can get)

Here's a page from Enco. These are the types of tools I use in my lathe. They can be made to fit in a file handle to manually cut metal.  In the clock making trade they are called "graver's". http ://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=164&PMCTLG=00 use the M-2 HSS (HSS= high speed steel)

I'll post some links to metal working sites that my help you further. I just need to find them again.

@ Ken, e-mail sent to you.

Bernd

 

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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DKRickman

Useful tool

I just tried an experiment with my homemade lathe, and I'm rather pleased with the results.

First of all, Bernd is quite right.  My screwdriver cutting tool is far too soft to be practical for metal work.  It will cut brass (I even had neat little curls coming off), but it dulls quickly.  It works much better on styrene.

I needed a set of universal joints for a Walthers SW-1.  Rather than buying them, I decided to try making them.  I started with copper and brass tubing ranging from slightly larger than the shaft diameters and telescoping up three sizes.  I soldered two rings onto a longer section of the smallest tube, the excess of which was chucked into the drill.  Before that, however, I chucked it in sideways, with the excess tube extending between two of the jaws.  I drilled a hole across the body, which would later hold a brass wire - the "ears" on the universal balls.  I then re-chucked the piece and turned the ball shape, soldered in the wire, and finally drilled the internal diameter to accept the shaft.

Now All I have to do is cut notches in a piece of tubing (I'm thinking of using styrene, in case anything needs to be electrically isolated), cut the excess off the balls, and glue them to the shafts.

While I have not yet run the model with my homemade universal joints, I am pleased that the construction of them went so well.  I have no doubt that I could make another set even better, and the next even better, etc.  One thing which would be handy would be a tail stock with a drill chuck, but I manage working by hand.

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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