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pschmidt700

Coincidence!

Just a day or two ago I was wandering through the pages of the April 1977 Model Railroader. Inside is an article by David Petty and his BUD Lines switching layout using handlaid code 40 rail.

"Hmmm," says I. "Wonder whatever happened to him."

Now we get the rest of the story! Thanks!

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Alwyn_Cutmore

Mid West Central

It is funny how things happen in life. I bought a Pennsy Shark Nose off this gentleman many years back on eBay. Since then we have become great friends and we talk to each other on a regular basis via Skype. Two old blokes on either side of the Pacific Ocean Paddock without a bridge. I have seen the MWC grow in these later years and it is very pleasing to see it portrayed so well in MRH. Dave has to be one of lifes gentlemen and you will go a long way to find another also having such a wonderful sense of humour. I still have the Shark Nose but the value I got from his friendship far outweighs what I paid for it. Mind you he sold it out of the US to Australia so his loco could finally win a pulling contest at local meets. 

Keep well Old Mate.

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Jeff G.

What a treat to finally,

What a treat to finally, after all these years, get the inside story on the Bud Lines and David Petty. I was particularly enamored of his stone quarry featured in Model Railroader back in the 70's and it made me want to see what the rest of his layout was like. 40 years on and it's MRH to the rescue.

Really nice article and kudos to David for the fine modeling.

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musgrovejb

Nice layout! Very "down to earth" answers.

Enjoyed the layout tour and "down to earth"  answers and advice.  Looking forward to viewing the layout on TMTV.

Joe

Modeling Missouri Pacific Railroad's Central Division, Fort Smith, Arkansas

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Glyndwr

Choosing paint schemes and fonts

What an attractive landscape Dave Petty provides for his trains on which to run!

However, I noticed a conflict between the historical background of Dave's layout and the visual representation of his models, which all layout owners should consider when developing a scheme for their freelanced railroads and how they might fit into real-world history.

The wonderful paint scheme Dave has pictured on the article title page represents the "new" 1954 Midwest Central, yet it appears older in style than the previous Badland scheme. Railroads went to the single color "dip" schemes later to save money, which fits into Dave's history, except that the orange engine appears bright and brand new, not faded and worn, in need of replacement.

Another complication with the history Dave represents is the text he has chosen on his diesels. The serif font on the Badland engine is definitely older than the Helvetica-style included on the blue Midwest Central locomotives, but the Helvetica font wasn't around until 1957, and it certainly wasn't widely used for a few years after that. For Dave's 1954 road, the font appears a bit too modern.

As an artist, I would also add that the bright white of the block letter/numbering is visually distracting from the softer (it appears) light gray tone of the striping on the F units. I think it would look better with a matching color, or at least a thinner, less blocky font selection.

I'll say it again though, the blue paint scheme itself is wonderful - a classic EMD look!

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rickwade

Glyndwr - please share with us some information

About your layout.  Any pictures, track plan, or info would be great - thanks.

Rick

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The Richlawn Railroad Website - Featuring the L&N in HO  / MRH Blog  / MRM #123

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Mr Shakey

Thanks for the compliments

Thanks for the compliments about the attractive landscape. Making the trains look like they are in a proper scenic setting was very important to me as the Midwest Central developed from only pencil marks on paper to a finished railroad..

You have made multiple valid points in your posting, but you may have over estimated the caliber of the railroad executives that have been involved with the Badland railroad, (now owned by the Midwest Central). You see, in a magazine article it is easy to convey to the reader actual photographs of what was built. What is more difficult to convey in a few pages, is 75+ years of life and reading magazines and visiting hundreds of other model railroads that developed ideas that became a part of the Midwest Central.

Only a tiny bit of this railroads history has been told in this article. As you saw by your careful reading about the history of the Midwest Central railroad, the Badland Railroad was near default on all it’s obligations. They could not even borrow a dollar if they put up a two dollar bill as collateral! Partly this was due to the forward looking faction of some individuals in management but they had no regard about paying for the bills they accumulated.

Now, for the case in point; the painting of the locomotive you mention. The Badland Railroad always kept watch for any equipment that they thought would now or later be needed. Many times they would see something that was available and they would buy it since they could need it later and not be able to find any that were for sale. Have you ever done that yourself?

Well, they came across this locomotive that was almost new but fire had damaged the exterior a bit, but they were able to get a good deal on the purchase. This locomotive was not needed as the railroad already had several serviceable locomotives on the roster, but a good deal is a good deal; right? The locomotive was purchased and the reason it was purchased was because they thought they needed another locomotive.

The locomotive was sent to the shop with instructions to get the locomotive operational and then send it to the paint shop so they could paint the locomotive a solid red, matching other red locomotives on the fleet.

Well, the railroad did not have any red paint and all suppliers refused to sell the Badland anything else until they got their account paid. So, a new order went to the paint shop instructing them to paint it "Some Color". Well, the shop had an abundance of a yellow paint, but not enough to paint the entire locomotive, as well as several 5 gallon pails ranging from partly full to almost full; in various colors. They blended these various dabs of paint and the results are the orange you see today. The black strip you see was at the insistence of another who contributed a lot to this layout. Once the loco was finished, business was so bad that it saw very little use and did not get much soiling like it would have had the railroad really needed another locomotive. This mix never became a paint "Scheme". It simply was painted with the paints that were available at the time since until the debts were paid; there were no more funds available.

I find your comment about fonts used on the Midwest Central to be of great interest. How well your comments will fit once you understand the history of this area of the United States is another matter. You see, Mr Shakey, of Shakey Chair fame, was a very influential man in these parts and he also was a part owner in the Midwest Central railroad. He had a grand daughter, Waneta was her name. You see, she was attending Indiana University and her major was in graphic design. Well, she wanted to design the ‘new’ scheme for the Midwest Central railroad and she set out to create a design and style that grandpa Shakey would like. Back to the history of this endeavor; the Midwest Central was a money making machine.

Now you tell all of us that the ‘font’ she used is called Helvetica and that font was not around until 1957. Now you are going to learn what got these folks so riled in this part of the country. As she began it was not her intention to use something everybody else used so she created her own style of lettering just for this locomotive scheme. Now, if she had known copy right law as well as she knew how to draw, that font might just be called "The Waneta Font!  It appears her talent was a bit ahead of its time.

This railroad represents the combination of three railroads and each railroad had its own way of doing things. Two of the three did not have the money to do things according to the logic of the remaining world. They were buying whatever equipment they could use, mostly used. Often times, a new acquisition would simply have the old name painted out and their name quickly applied. They always planned to develop standards and repaint everything sometime in the future. But, when you are head over heals in debt, you don’t always get your desires met.

Badland had its own ideas on how to run a railroad.

The Upland & Divide also had ideas on how to meet the needs of their customers.

When those two merged, they became the Badland and Upland & Divide. Their finances were so bad they decided to shorten the name to the Budlines, just to save paint!

Finally, lets not loose sight that this is a hobby and there are thousands of ways to enjoy it. Mine has a specific history and that history shows in the variations in paint schemes. This article did not include any of the Budlines locomotives although one freight car shows in photo 7..

Don’t forget that building a model railroad is a hobby and always, always, always remember to have fun when you play trains! As to the comment about the white being distracting, you need to take that up with Waneta and her Grandpa. Waneta agreed, more or less, with you but Grandpa claimed that a few weeks in coal country and the entire locomotive paint scheme would be softened anyway. "We will not buy more paint when we can just use the white paint we have on hand", and with that Grandpa settled the matter.

Thanks so much for your comments.

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Mr Shakey

There have been about 70

There have been about 70 pictures of the Midwest Central published in N Scale Magazine and there is also a track plan as well.  The issues are:

             Jan/Feb  2011                 Nov/Dec  2009                  July/Aug 2012                 Jan/Feb   2013

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wolfmichael

Buzzards Roost

Dave,

    Great article.  Thanks for sharing your railroad and journey with us.  I noticed the town of Buzzards Roost on your layout.  I work with a guy from Buzzards Roost LA.  Any connection to your Indiana version?

Mike

Mike

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Mr Shakey

Buzzards Roost

Hi Mike. In my travels I found an overlook in southern Indiana and the view below was of the Ohio River.  There was a few picnic tables in this spot, it was extremely quiet, and the view was great.  My wife and I enjoyed this view for perhaps an hour.  As we left the area we saw the sign "Buzzards Roost Overlook" and I just had to have that name for one of my towns. 

Thanks for your interest.

Dave

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