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abehlerjr

Dcc Impulses

Bruce,

   Another great article... I have been a member of the local train club for almost 2 years and I have seen all those little boxes under the layout the power the system. I hear a couple of the members talking about the 'boosters' or the 'command station' and until your article, never really understood how all the parts played together. Now I think I understand.

Thanks,

Al

 

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Xander

Anatomy of a DCC system

Hi Bruce,

This is a great article, especially addressing the matter on the number of boosters required and ways to go about it. Just a word on the Lenz LH-90 cab, since I am using Lenz since 2005. The LH-90 is an excellent engineer's cab, great for switching. If you program your locos CVs 3 & 4, al you need to do is to set your switching speed on the dial, and use the center off toggle switch to stop and change direction. The cab can store eight 4-digit addresses, and to punch in a new address does not have to involve the dial. There are also some programmable features to make the throttle more customizable, but I won't cover it here. So in our regular ops sessions, we use four LH-90 cabs, and one LH-100 Dispatcher cab.

In short, the LH-90 is not to be relegated to a child's toy.

Kind regards

Xander

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Bruce Petrarca

Thanks Al

SUCCESS! Exactly the desired result.

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Bruce Petrarca

LH-90

Xander

I was not saying that it was ONLY a child's toy. You have made a far better case for its intended use than I would have ever tried to do.

My goal was to offer another view of possible ADDITIONAL uses.

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Rio Grande Dan

DCC information is always a great a article

Bruce

I always read the DCC articles first when MRH E-zine comes out as a some what new user myself with only about 3 years using DCC and 45+ years using DC Cab control. I started DCC use with the Lenz LH100 Dispatcher's Throttle and The LZV100 Command/Power Station. I make a point to read and take in everything written or said about DCC and look forward to every article.

I actually had the same question as to weather I needed more boosters for my RR or would the command station and the one Magna Force Power Supply be enough. With my RR covering a 28' X 36' foot Basement (half of that so far) I may need one more Magna Force Power Supply later. For now I'm happy with the power use and welcomed your article and the information you supplied.

Thank for the Fine and informative DCC article.

Dan

 

Rio Grande Dan

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Ken Glover kfglover

Another great column!

I always learn something from your columns. And I re-learn some things too! I usually read DCC Impulses first when I get my copy of MRH.

 

Ken Glover,

HO, Digitrax, Soundtraxx PTB-100, JMRI (LocoBuffer-USB), ProtoThrottle (WiThrottle server)

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ifish47

Anatomy of a DCC system

Thanks for a great article. The time you take no matter how simple or not so simple regarding the DCC articles is a what nebie's like me need.

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Bruce Petrarca

Dan - remember

"I actually had the same question as to weather I needed more boosters for my RR or would the command station and the one Magna Force Power Supply be enough. With my RR covering a 28' X 36' foot Basement (half of that so far) I may need one more Magna Force Power Supply later. For now I'm happy with the power use and welcomed your article and the information you supplied." Thanks, Dan. Just remember adding another transformer won't help put more power on the rails. You will need a booster, too!

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Bruce Petrarca

Thanks

Glad to know that you find something of use in my ramblings, Ken and ifish47.

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Ash Williams

DCC Impulses

Greatest clmn out - am learning heaps and heaps and !!! Best mag this century. 

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Benny

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Bruce, I think it's fair to say this is the skeletal anatomy of the DCC system.  I presume part two will cover the addition of JMRI to a layout, along with using a wireless iPhone throttle in place of the archaic LCD throttles supplied by the major manufacturers...

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Benny's Index or Somewhere Chasing Rabbits

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Bruce Petrarca

Thanks, Ash

Comments like yours inspire!

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Bruce Petrarca

Benny

Thanks for the idea!

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Cascade Bob

Anatomy of a DCC System

Bruce,

Thanks for another great article.  This is exactly the type of article those of us new to DCC need to be able to start to learn the terminology.  I especially liked the part of the article in which you discussed the problems with the replacement for the MF615.  Now I know why Larry, of NCE, was not recommending the use of the new power supply with the NCE Power Pro.

I'm about to place an order with Litchfield Station for the NCE PowerPro Radio system for my large N-scale layout.  I don't want to wait until the revised MF615GU power supply comes out during the summer, so I think I'll order the NCE P515 transformers with the NCE Power Pro so I can get up and running.  Is the P515 going to provide adequate power for my N-scale application?

Any comments on this idea?

Thanks,

Bob

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Bruce Petrarca

P515

Bob - As I said in the column, "the folks who designed the system know best what it needs". The P515 was selected by NCE for their 5-amp system. It should do you fine.

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Cascade Bob

P515

Bruce,

Thank you for the response on the NCE P515 power transformer.  As a novice in DCC, this gives me the confidence that I'm headed in the right direction.

Again thank you,

Bob

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Bill E

Bruce

Thanks for a great article. Now all I need is some suggestions on what I need to get it to work  with G scale trains.

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Logger01

Large Scale DCC

Bruce:

The short answer is the same type of DCC equipment is need – usually just bigger, but as always it depends on what you are planning to run.

If you want to run small Large Scale (e.g., F, Fn3, Gauge 1, etc.) locomotives pulling a few cars, you can actually get by on a 3 to 5 amp DCC system. If you want to step up to a midsize locomotives you will need to step up to an 8 to 10 Amp system. 10 Amp systems will also power one or two big engines if you do not pull many cars. If you are looking to pull a big consist with three AristoCraft SD45's or Dash9's the 10 Amp NCE unit will just make it happen. As 10 Amps is the current limit for commercial boosters, beyond that it's a home brew beast. For demos on a small, portable layout (10' x 18') when running a Shay with six or eight cars, I can get by with a Digitrax DCS100 (5 Amp),

For some reference current draw data for a variety of Large Scale loco's check out the Tractive Effort Tests page on George Schreyer's site:

http://www.girr.org/girr/tips/tips4/tractive_effort_tests.html

The DC power pack I built for the club has three 24 VDC, 12.5 Amp switching power supplies providing power to six loops (blocks) through Aristo 15 Amp controllers. Depending upon what equipment is running (ie. DC, DCC, RC – Track or Battery Powered) and how we need to configure the layout, each of the Aristo controllers can be replaced by an appropriate DCC booster or an Aristo Train Engineer Base Receiver. Even with the available power, with all six blocks configured for DCC we are usually limited to three loco's in each block. A set of ten lighted, Large Scale passenger cars can draw more current than it takes to run a medium size HO or N layout (½ to 1 Amp), and at times we have three passenger consists running.

Also when scaling up to play with the big boys, beware: you are getting into the power range where you can really let the smoke out intentionally (Smoke units can draw Amps) or unintentionally (Small wires make good fuses). Everything needs to be scaled up especially the wiring. Think buying your feeder wire at your local home improvement store with #12 often being the minimum wire gage for your primary feeds. 12/2 underground feeder wire works well and lasts for years.

One nice point is that I do not need reading glasses or a magnifier when installing Large Scale decoders into  loco's.

 

Ken K

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Bruce Petrarca

Garden DCC

Logger01's comments are right on track. A few additions. I'm not into modern era running, but those who are frequently report the need for higher track voltage. NCE will modify their 10 amp PB110a booster to provide over 20 volts on the rails. My layout (http://mrdccu.com/layouts/RMP.htm) is narrow gauge (Fn3 - 1:20.3) and uses the NCE radio parts that I photoed for the column. I plen on using HYBRID DRIVE: DCC track power on brass rail, with small "keep alive" battery packs in the locos. I'll do a column on it later. I know the theory, but want to speak from experience, so need my new track in place before I'll do it. Not gonna happen in the Phoenix summer!

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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Bruce Petrarca

Thanks to you all.

This DCC Impulses came in second to the kids article in your votes. Every column to date has made the top 5! With your help, I hope to keep the string alive. BTW the kids article earned the highest rating in the history of MRH, so I don't feel too badly, loosing to it (or is it them?)!

Bruce Petrarca, Mr. DCC; MMR #574

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