AGWRAILWAY

mage(17).jpg mage(18).jpg I experimented with a little weathering and a heat gun last night.  This old UP car I got at the swap meet probably won't make it out of Sundstrom Scap in one piece. I heated it and poked it with a big screwdriver, dunked in water to set the shape then repeated.  You can see more of my railroad at:
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trainmaster247

all I can say is WOW!

all I can say is WOW!

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Ken Hutnik huthut

How did you do the cable tie downs?

Great work.  How did you attached the cables to the pockets?  Is it rigid material or Berkshire EZ wire?  The cables look realistic, tight. Thanks.


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Eric Warhol ewarhol

Well Done!!!

Excellent modeling skills. Should type up an article on it and submit it to MRH

Eric Warhol

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LKandO

Interesting load

Cool. The deformations look very realistic. Maybe needs some mud and weeds stuffed into the nooks and crannies or swiped down the side. I guess what I am saying is more filth.

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AGWRAILWAY

Thanks!  Yes it is the

Thanks!  Yes it is the elastic Easy Wire.  I had to drill out the pockets on the car.  

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Virginian and Lake Erie

You might also want to add

You might also want to add some shiny spots for freshly torn metal. The edges which have just been recently exposed would not have any paint and or weathering along the edge of the tear as it had not been exposed to anything prior to the tear.

If any of the car sides etc were to slide over gravel there would be abrasions and striations parallel to the direction of travel where the paint was scuffed and scraped off, these would also be shinny unless the car then slid over soft earth in which case lots of the earth and ground cover would still be attached to the car.

You sure have represented multiple impacts to this car rather well.

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Wazzzy

You can also add a bit of

You can also add a bit of spilt "commodities" under the fresh holes. I've seen plenty of damaged cars and there is always fresh metal at the torn edges, the trucks and brake rigging get torched at the incident site, and the spilt contents always around for a few months. Don't forget to include the HOME SHOP TAG.

 

Looks real. Love it!!

Alan Loizeaux

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Trainman

No I know

I have a friend who casts his own coal cars. He sometimes pulls the models out of his molds before they are hard and they end up looking like a train wreck. Now I know what to do with those wrecks he gave me.

 

regards,

 

Trainman

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fishnmack

Wrecked Railcars

Not to be a killjoy, but your securement of the wrecked hopper car seems pretty sketchy.  Most of the time railcars that are damaged heavily are cut up for scrap at the location of the wreck.  The subdivision I am currently working has two such examples at this time.  Damaged railcars that can not move on their own wheels are generally shipped on modified flatcars that usually have some sort of truck bolster to mount the load on.  This helps prevent shifting loads.  Prime examples of this type of load include private owner tank cars that require special environmental or haz-mat care in scraping or repair.  Damaged intermodal well and spine cars also seem to be a fairly common damaged car load.   Your wrecked covered hopper car would look great laying along the tracks with a scraping crew starting to eyeball the task at hand.  Such an outfit would include a truck with a large gas supply and a light crane truck to lift the chunks of metal into scrap bin trucks.  So many trucks for a railroad operation, but the economics of having a route shutdown for extended periods of time dictate the fastest and least disruptive methods of damage control.    

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Chuck P

Never say never

Never say never

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Graeme Nitz OKGraeme

Another one

I have seen lots of damaged freight cars in trains before and here is an example. No obvious damge to this car but there is obviously something wrong. Maybe on the other side. 

I believe these flatcars are designed specifically to carry damaged freight cars. Notice the bolster connection which looks like it is movable to adjust for different bolster spacings. Also notice the trucks on the far end. I took this picture in 2013 in the BNSF Cherokee yard in Tulsa. I have seen these flats unloaded as well and the bolster support mechanism is more visible. I think I have a picture I will try to find.

 

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Rustman

From a derailment in Baltimore

These are my pictures;

 

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ctxmf74

"Never say never"  That's

Quote:

"Never say never"

That's the special flatcar he mentioned. .....DaveB 

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engineer

Tie-downs

It looks like the tie-downs were welded on the flat car just where they are needed for this tank car load.

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dkramer

Is it a special car or a special load secured to a regular car?

 

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 That's the special flatcar he mentioned

 

 
Owner:Redstreak, LLC
Type:Flat Car
AAR Class:FMS: Specialty Ordinary flat car for general service. This car has flooring laid over sills and without sides or ends.
AAR Type:F226
Detail Info:  Flat Car, Load Limit: 155,000-184,999lb, Equipped with cushioned draft gear/underframe, Inside length: greater than 89ft
Plate:  B
User Notes:  ex-GVSR 89007

 

Do not seem to be so special... No mention to special equipment whatsoever. Is the bolster support/connector a load securing equipment like the tie downs, therefore possible to use in any flatcar available?

Daniel Kramer

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ctxmf74

"Do not seem to be so

Quote:

"Do not seem to be so special... No mention to special equipment whatsoever. Is the bolster support/connector a load securing equipment like the tie downs, therefore possible to use in any flatcar available?"

   I think the "specialness" comes from the tie down brackets welded on it. Looks like they customize the flatcars to suit the wrecked cars, the bolster pads look like angle iron welded to the deck to hold blocking? ....DaveB 

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fmcpos

Great one-off that you won't find on another layout

To: nydepot...I guess life does sometimes imitate art.

To: AGWRAILWAY...what's the backstory?

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Chuck P

Saw this recently on ebay

Tiedowns are on lower sill. Nothing underneath. Just sitting on the 3 bays. Not a special car.

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cslewis

How does one answer to this?

Food for thought:

Without trying to seem mean or nitpicking? I surely don't. I'm far from being a rivet counter.  As a former long-haul flat bed driver, I see several mistakes to my eyes. Overall for modeling reasons it is acceptable, and well done. It looks like it simply rolled down an embankment when it derailed causing minor repairable damage. In the real world I don't know what an FRA inspector would say to it. What sticks out in my mind is a 69,700 pound car, sitting on three discharge chutes, on a wood deck, without additional support? I would think the photo of the GATX car would be a steel deck. It also does not show how the load is secured to the TTX car, and the fence rail obscures that area. I doubt a wood deck would stand up to a 23,233 lbs. load on three points of contact. I would hope in the photo of the GATX car, that the RR placed some kind of dunnage between the discharge chutes to support the car, as well as the ends of the car.

Real world: A 79,100 lbs. roll of 1/4" coiled steel 7' wide X 5.5' tall, on a big rig: 6" ahead of trailer center, two 4"X4" 8'L pieces of wood, placed against the front and rear of the coil, another 4X4 placed on top of those, so that it rests on the other 4X4's and nailed together, creating a box around the coil 8" high. To further secure the coil to the flatbed trailer takes 20 1/2" chains.10 chains to the rear of the trailer, and 10 chains to the front of the trailer. (I wish I had taken a photo of that load). It went from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh. (How do I know this, I had the crane operator set it. I drove the nails into the 4X4's and chained the load, then drove it to Pittsburgh).

On any heavy load chains need to be crossed so that they form an X. If 4" wide straps are used a single twist on each side will eliminate the strap sounding like a baseball card hitting the spokes of a bicycle wheel. This reduces strap wear. Rule of thumb, straps are placed every 6' to 8' of the load, if possible. Excess chain at the chain binder would be wrapped around the binder handle and secured in place by an 18" rubber bungi cord.

At 50' long it could also be placed on a 48' flatbed semi trailer. Provided that the bottom of the car faces the passenger side of the truck, and chained & strapped accordingly. 6" allowable over hang on the drivers side. Followed by proper flagging & bannering. (all 8 corners of the load marked with 12" red flags. 12 more flags required for the chutes, as they protrude beyond the right side of the trailer. The rear of the trailer itself also needs to be flagged, as does the front bumper of the truck. The front and rear of the vehicle must also be bannered. The banner must be yellow in color with black lettering and must read "OVERSIZED LOAD". This load would also require an escort both in front of and behind it. After delivery all flags and banners must be removed. These were the requirements back in the late 90's when I stopped driving over the road. They might have changed by now.

Check with your local state police for current requirements. (most of the state police departments) are responsible for D.O.T. compliance. In regards to the trucking industry.

In regards to the FRA I'm sure they don't want a bunch of emails asking the same question(s). However they do have a web page. The three departments to contact, (I would think) would be: government affairs, railroad safety & perhaps railroad policy & development.

It never hurts to ask.

There is no such thing as a dumb question. That only exists if it's never asked.

I hope all my ramblings make sense.

I don't get to see that many damaged cars up here, on the old Great Northern main line. So maybe in regards to your model, I'm talking out of my....  On how it should be tied down.

The damage looks really good though, and very convincing. That's a job well done.

A search on Bing images: "damaged freight cars" has a photo of a car which is a close match for yours. The damaged car appears to be on a steel deck, flat car. The four corners are supported with at least 8 short 4x4's under the corners. It looks like they used steel cable to secure the car in place using cable clamps. Car # 49791, reporting mark UTCX. Under "damaged rail cars" It looks like they still use chains on locomotives, to tie them down. Or you could call R.J. Corman railroad Group and ask them how they do it.

Cheers,

Charlie

 

 

 

 

 

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Benny

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Once again the keyboard warriors are shot down by the people who take pictures of the real thing...seriously, guys, research before you post.

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ChiloquinRuss

"research before you post."

"research before you post."  I thought posting was research!  Russ

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joef

Drive by post

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research before you post.

Benny, the master of the "drive by post".

Can you be a bit less cryptic and explain what you're trying to say? I see no problem on this thread, but apparently you do. You'll need to do better than throw out one liners if we're going to get what you're trying to say.

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2tracks

pretty cool....

for the heat gun......screw driver experiment......have you done any others before?   There's a genre of

model railroading it doesn't seem like one sees a lot of, compared to weathering functional rolling stock.

Jerry

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